AMD teases "really cool" upgrades coming to its 3D V-Cache tech

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In context: AMD's pioneering 3D V-Cache technology vertically stacks additional L3 cache onto the processor die, which has given the company an edge over the competition in PC gaming performance. The cache works as a high-speed memory buffer that reduces latency and improves data access speed. However, the chipmaker isn't resting on its laurels, hinting at plans to take things to the next level.

PC Gamer spoke with Donny Woligroski, AMD's senior technical marketing manager, during Computex 2024 to get the inside scoop on future 3D V-Cache plans. When asked about potential developments for Zen 5, he said AMD is not "resting on laurels" and is "improving what we can do with X3D."

However, the next Zen 5 X3D iteration isn't expected until early 2025 – some six-plus months after the debut of the standard Ryzen 9000 series CPUs – if the release patterns of previous X3D chips are any indication. The flagship Ryzen 9 7950X was released in September 2022, compared to the 7950X3D which arrived in late February 2023. This delay should give AMD ample time to innovate further on its vertical cache implementation.

Woligroski was tight-lipped on specifics but he did reveal that they are also "working actively on really cool differentiators" to make X3D even better than before.

So what kind of "cool differentiators" might AMD have up its sleeve? One possibility is varying the size of the vertically stacked SRAM cache. Currently, all 3D V-Cache chips use a uniform 64MB slice. Offering higher cache capacities on premium processors could allow for greater product segmentation across the Ryzen lineup.

Another opportunity is bringing 3D V-Cache to AMD's APUs and Ryzen AI mobile chips with integrated graphics. These chips' GPU performance is often bottlenecked by limited memory bandwidth. Vertically stacking a cache between the GPU and RAM could provide a significant performance improvement, mirroring how high-end RDNA 2 and 3 discrete GPUs leverage massive caches.

Regardless of AMD's specific plans, it's clear that 3D V-Cache isn't a one-and-done technology.

In the meantime, to get a better idea of where and how 3D V-Cache shines, take a look at our Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-14900K comparison. The technology helps Team Red maintain a massive edge over the competition in titles like Assetto Corsa Competizione – and a comfortable lead in others.

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Let's hope they know better now from exploded CPU's and burnt sokets from last time. And also hard to cool without voltage limits, because of the die stack thermal transfer limit.
 
While having a larger v-cache and mobile apu's getting it are great the big one that everyone wants is clockspeeds not being reduced due to having v-cache.
 
Would be outstanding if they achieve onpar lifespan for cache at 1.5V --->>> same clocks as non3D.
Or even higher, if you go with binned chips for _800X3D as a higher tier product.
 
X3D APUs would be great, but seem unlikely given the price point they target.

Still, the raise of handheld gaming may create a new niche for such a product... Assuming people will pay more for handhelds with a stronger APU.
 
How about v-cache on both ccd's for the 9900X3D and 9950X3D. How about no clock-speed penalty for v-cache. I couldn't care less about gaming performance when Zen4 and of course Zen5 is already so good, but I won't cop the large drop in productivity performance due to slower clocks. I would gladly pay a premium for v-cache that offers no real drawbacks no matter what you do. Hopefully we do see v-cache on apu's too. Imagine a Strix Halo 40CU apu with v-cache and DDR5 8333 say, it would be a total beast, easily matching desktop 6700XT at least.

Very annoying we have to wait until 2025 as I want to build a new PC this year to upgrade my old R7 3700X based unit.
 
How about v-cache on both ccd's for the 9900X3D and 9950X3D. How about no clock-speed penalty for v-cache. I couldn't care less about gaming performance when Zen4 and of course Zen5 is already so good, but I won't cop the large drop in productivity performance due to slower clocks. I would gladly pay a premium for v-cache that offers no real drawbacks no matter what you do. Hopefully we do see v-cache on apu's too. Imagine a Strix Halo 40CU apu with v-cache and DDR5 8333 say, it would be a total beast, easily matching desktop 6700XT at least.

Very annoying we have to wait until 2025 as I want to build a new PC this year to upgrade my old R7 3700X based unit.

Having a ~10% lower clock frequency is hardly a "large drop in productivity performance". It's certain not something you'd notice unless you had them working next to each other and constantly comparing them. Given that you're on a 3700x still, if getting the most work out of your time was so important, you'd already have a 5950x or a newer system. Just upgrade to a 5700x3d or 5800x3d. Enjoy the performance increase and sell you 3700x to make a little back. Then, in 12 months, make your new system with whatever hotness you're happy with and sell the AM4 x3d for almost what you paid for it.
 
How about v-cache on both ccd's for the 9900X3D and 9950X3D. How about no clock-speed penalty for v-cache. I couldn't care less about gaming performance when Zen4 and of course Zen5 is already so good, but I won't cop the large drop in productivity performance due to slower clocks. I would gladly pay a premium for v-cache that offers no real drawbacks no matter what you do. Hopefully we do see v-cache on apu's too. Imagine a Strix Halo 40CU apu with v-cache and DDR5 8333 say, it would be a total beast, easily matching desktop 6700XT at least.

Very annoying we have to wait until 2025 as I want to build a new PC this year to upgrade my old R7 3700X based unit.
Do you live next to a microcenter? You can get
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, ASUS B650-E TUF Gaming, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT, Computer Build Bundle
for 1,369.96 SAVE $210.05
$1,159.91
and $1100 with membership card. It is not going to get better than this in terms of price/ performance deals any time soon.
7950X3 fell to $459

For productivity budle
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, ASUS B650E-F ROG Strix Gaming WiFi, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT, Computer Build Bundle at $1259 before 10% membership discount.

One thing I am happy about is my 2022 AM5 x670e motherboard will potentially support Zen6 x3d in 2027.

Also with Zen5 having the same clocks as Zen 4 lineup I am doubtful that Zen5x3d would have significantly higher clocks than it's Zen4 replacement parts. If AMD can achieve significantly higher clocks at high as the 9700x and still add the 3d cache on top of it, it would be even a bigger winner imo.
 
I think they’ll double up on cache for the cpu’s with Mutiple chiplets. Only makes sense since in the X3D world it was X800X3D that got to shine - and that isn’t making AMD maximum profits
 
Let's hope they know better now from exploded CPU's and burnt sokets from last time. And also hard to cool without voltage limits, because of the die stack thermal transfer limit.
The socket thing is a motherboard issue. Please try and do a little research before posting too, because you’ll see all 3D Cache CPUs can’t be over-volt or run overclocked via multiplier adjustment. They’re locked down.

Only thing I can do with my 5800X3D is under-volt via an offset. It’s upper voltage is hard capped to 1.3V. It does with great cooling “self over clock” all cores to 4.5 GHz as long as thermals are managed.

They’re great CPUs even if you can’t overlock them.
 
The socket thing is a motherboard issue. Please try and do a little research before posting too, because you’ll see all 3D Cache CPUs can’t be over-volt or run overclocked via multiplier adjustment. They’re locked down.

Only thing I can do with my 5800X3D is under-volt via an offset. It’s upper voltage is hard capped to 1.3V. It does with great cooling “self over clock” all cores to 4.5 GHz as long as thermals are managed.

They’re great CPUs even if you can’t overlock them.
And where was the built in thermal and OVP/OCP protection? Why the CPU didnt shutdown the system once it reached +85Celsius and let it go to 215C? Seeing that it was K7 era all over again.
I know the MB vendors and their crazy voltages were to blame this time but the CPU should have better protection.
 
And where was the built in thermal and OVP/OCP protection? Why the CPU didnt shutdown the system once it reached +85Celsius and let it go to 215C? Seeing that it was K7 era all over again.
I know the MB vendors and their crazy voltages were to blame this time but the CPU should have better protection.
It’s not a fault of the CPU when the processor has the protections, but they can be overruled by BIOS microcode (or in the case of this particular link, wrong settings and bypasses entirely on every single board).

No different to the ultra high end boards Asus (ironically) make for both Intel and AMD targeted at LN2 for example. BIOS microcode will allow an override on any CPU and let it melt if you so wish. Don’t see anybody complaining they can kill an i9-14900K on the right board doing exactly the same thing.
 
Do you live next to a microcenter? You can get
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, ASUS B650-E TUF Gaming, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT, Computer Build Bundle
for 1,369.96 SAVE $210.05
$1,159.91
and $1100 with membership card. It is not going to get better than this in terms of price/ performance deals any time soon.
7950X3 fell to $459

For productivity budle
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, ASUS B650E-F ROG Strix Gaming WiFi, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT, Computer Build Bundle at $1259 before 10% membership discount.

One thing I am happy about is my 2022 AM5 x670e motherboard will potentially support Zen6 x3d in 2027.

Also with Zen5 having the same clocks as Zen 4 lineup I am doubtful that Zen5x3d would have significantly higher clocks than it's Zen4 replacement parts. If AMD can achieve significantly higher clocks at high as the 9700x and still add the 3d cache on top of it, it would be even a bigger winner imo.


What's microcenter. Never heard of them. Seriously I don't live the in US so your prices are of no relevace to me. I have no interest in Zen 4 and certainly not 7800X3D with Zen 5 out in July. 90% of my PC usage is productivity, and what games I play are barely affected by v-cache, and already work just fine.

 
What's microcenter. Never heard of them. Seriously I don't live the in US so your prices are of no relevace to me. I have no interest in Zen 4 and certainly not 7800X3D with Zen 5 out in July. 90% of my PC usage is productivity, and what games I play are barely affected by v-cache, and already work just fine.
lol so true.

Everyone that lives close to a microcenter thinks the rest of the world has them also.
 
lol so true.

Everyone that lives close to a microcenter thinks the rest of the world has them also.
For productivity the 7950x fell to $430 @ Newegg
7950X3D fell to $499.
What's microcenter. Never heard of them. Seriously I don't live the in US so your prices are of no relevace to me. I have no interest in Zen 4 and certainly not 7800X3D with Zen 5 out in July. 90% of my PC usage is productivity, and what games I play are barely affected by v-cache, and already work just fine.
If you can get the 7950X at $430 lower it will beat even the 9900x at a fraction of the cost in productivity. With Ryzen the worst time to purchase them is at launch due to the initial premium AMD charges. I guess waiting a month or so doesn't hurt to see where Ryzen 4 will bottom out.
 
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