Jeep's first EV is the $72,000 Wagoneer S: 300-mile range, 600 horsepower

I bet many would rather half the horse power and double the range. My v4 q7 has 270 horse power and is plenty fast. I wonder if in order to hit maximum range you have to drive at maximum efficiency.

No wonder China's EVs are a threat in pricing if you look beyond China's quality. American Automakers can't compete with China's pricing. Decades ago Foreign airlines wanted to fly domestic flights in the U.S. but domestic airlines carriers blocked it in Congress citing they would loose money. I wonder why?

Right at the end of the EV hype, when EV development is collapsing world-wide. People are tired of the EV hype crap, and are opting for hybrids.

300m seems like half the range what this car should feature. 600, or better 800 is what it should be rated.
It is a nice looking car, but that range is nothing but ugly

BuckarooBonzaii said:

No wonder China's EVs are a threat in pricing if you look beyond China's quality. American Automakers can't compete with China's pricing. Decades ago Foreign airlines wanted to fly domestic flights in the U.S. but domestic airlines carriers blocked it in Congress citing they would loose money. I wonder why?

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They still have cheaper labor that they can pass to the customer in a form of better prices. They are the world's manufacturing plant which helps too. But above anything else, CCP handsomely funds all of the promising industries such as green energy. There is CCP's coin in every dollar or Euro they would ask for their EVs.
I say it all without major complains against Chinese EV makers. Furthermore, I think budget ones should be allowed in our countries. It would greatly speed up EV adoption. Imagine that every person who does not make a lot of money could afford a nice looking, decent range EV. The trade war in general though, China must not win it. If we are going into the future where all most cars are EVs, letting China control this market is a horrible, no--deadly fiture.

EV is such a crock of sht.

Ecology went the wrong way. We need something half the weight, 100bhp, 60kilometers of range for daily commute and petrol range extender for vacation time. And preferably quarter of price, without corpos upselling Us electronic gadgets instead of sh*tty plastics inside. Both US and EU car manufacturers forgot how to make cars, They are making money. That's why no matter how many tariffs Joe or Ursula will introduce, Chinese cars are the future. Like South Koreans before Them, and Japanese earlier.

toooooot said:

300m seems like half the range what this car should feature. 600, or better 800 is what it should be rated.
It is a nice looking car, but that range is nothing but ugly

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Yeah plus you probably have to use 1/3 of the horsepower to get that maximum 300 mile range.

Mr Majestyk said:

Wow $72KUS for a Cheep. ROFLMAO.

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A Trackhawk cost 90 grand soooo… Both are stupidly price but this as fast as a Trackhawk and is cheaper

FaTaL said:

EV is such a crock of sht.

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From someone that never driven an EV. You have no idea how amazing owning an EV is compared to an ICE. Not ever having to go to a gas pump after or before work and dealing with people leaving their cars at a pump is liberating. Charging at home is amazing and cheap. Not having to schedule oil changes or crawling underneath the car and changing brakes… etc…. I don’t even care about the whole it’s Green bullshit. EVs are just awesome and fun as hell to drive and not have to deal with bullshit maintenance.

FaTaL said:

EV is such a crock of sht.

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The only success it would have is through $7500 tax credit via fed dripping it $64,500 out of pocket. Although this only applies if you finance the vehicle and or purchase it outright. Who benefits from a lease? The dealership benefits from the tax credit and rarely passes down the savings to the customer on a lease with EVs.

godrilla said:

I bet many would rather half the horse power and double the range. My v4 q7 has 270 horse power and is plenty fast. I wonder if in order to hit maximum range you have to drive at maximum efficiency.

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But HORSEPOWER drives the hype!

EVs started off being eco-friendly, but all they're doing right now is competing for 0-100 km/h times.

Gosh forbid we ease into the new world order with better Hybrid cars first.

Horsepower is irrelevant and it's a crystler product so the doors will probably fall off several times before the warranty is over

If it's like every other Jeep product it's over priced by 200% .... yeah, that's 200%

What a waste of resources. $72k, holy crap.

I could have purchased my CX-5 twice for that price, new and still had $5-6k left over to do something else with.

These manufacturers are out of their fricking mind with these prices. You could get a Jeep Grand Cherokee starting at $40k and even if you got the top end model you're looking around $60k. Looking at an average of 22 miles per gallon (up to 26 on highway) and holds 19 gallons. If you average around 22 miles per gallon that means you're looking at around 400 miles per full tank (less if city driving, more if just highway driving). That's better range than the EV Jeep that'll get around 300 miles.

With all the math aside, it would take you 7-14 years (depending on the trim levels you compare) to break even in terms of cost if you went with the ICE model versus the EV model. Carbon emissions are a wash because of how much it takes to make these batteries and then even to recycle them (which isn't really recycling for the most part, many of these batteries are burned to try and reclaim most of the precious metals to be reused).

....gawd, what a waste.

Jrfeimst2 said:

From someone that never driven an EV. You have no idea how amazing owning an EV is compared to an ICE. Not ever having to go to a gas pump after or before work and dealing with people leaving their cars at a pump is liberating. Charging at home is amazing and cheap. Not having to schedule oil changes or crawling underneath the car and changing brakes… etc…. I don’t even care about the whole it’s Green bullshit. EVs are just awesome and fun as hell to drive and not have to deal with bullshit maintenance.

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I would buy one if the autonomy was 500 to 600 miles, it is not there yet. I need to be able to do 400km during winter time, which is not possible at the moment with the current technology.

EV will really start to replace ICE when Solid State batteries are going to be available.

I miss when cars weren’t disposable and actually affordable. Or when most things were affordable for that matter...

Jrfeimst2 said:

From someone that never driven an EV. You have no idea how amazing owning an EV is compared to an ICE. Not ever having to go to a gas pump after or before work and dealing with people leaving their cars at a pump is liberating. Charging at home is amazing and cheap. Not having to schedule oil changes or crawling underneath the car and changing brakes… etc…. I don’t even care about the whole it’s Green bullshit. EVs are just awesome and fun as hell to drive and not have to deal with bullshit maintenance.

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Some of that is amazing, it is true. What some people fail to recognize is that they really good EV with decent range still cost more. They cost more and that matters to a lot of people.
Imagine you buy an entry level EV and then try to use it extensively in winter.
At this time, you should not buy an EV that does not have decent range unless you only drive ot on weekends.
And going back to the price. People who count every dollar expect to be able to sell their car to afford their next one. Whether you drive your EV a lot or less or very little, that battery will age unlike ICE engine which if not used for a lot can promise a longer life to the next owner. If you keep your EV long enough, you won't get much for it. It might not matter to you, but tens of millions people actually depend on this. They buy Hondas and Toyotas because they know they can get a bit of value back on those when they buy their next car. Are you confident your car's battery will be in a shape that will be worth to keep using it when you sell it?

Jrfeimst2 said:

From someone that never driven an EV. You have no idea how amazing owning an EV is compared to an ICE. Not ever having to go to a gas pump after or before work and dealing with people leaving their cars at a pump is liberating. Charging at home is amazing and cheap. Not having to schedule oil changes or crawling underneath the car and changing brakes… etc…. I don’t even care about the whole it’s Green bullshit. EVs are just awesome and fun as hell to drive and not have to deal with bullshit maintenance.

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It’s liberating to have to remember to charge your car for 8hrs at home instead of taking it to the pump? Or hoping there’s available charging infrastructure near you which isn’t already saturated when you need to charge?

And, you still have to service brakes on an EV… as well as coolant… and tires… and then hope it doesn’t get too cold or hot to actually run your vehicle… then worry about the actual usable life of your battery… having to spend $20k+ replacing a battery in many cases due to a software lock nukes any possible savings from having to deal with gas/oil. There’s a reason only a very small percentage of drivers have completely ditched ICE!

redgarl said:

I would buy one if the autonomy was 500 to 600 miles, it is not there yet. I need to be able to do 400km during winter time, which is not possible at the moment with the current technology.

EV will really start to replace ICE when Solid State batteries are going to be available.

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You drive over 250 miles one way in a day? Geez that is wild.

opckieran said:

It’s liberating to have to remember to charge your car for 8hrs at home instead of taking it to the pump? Or hoping there’s available charging infrastructure near you which isn’t already saturated when you need to charge?

And, you still have to service brakes on an EV… as well as coolant… and tires… and then hope it doesn’t get too cold or hot to actually run your vehicle… then worry about the actual usable life of your battery… having to spend $20k+ replacing a battery in many cases due to a software lock nukes any possible savings from having to deal with gas/oil. There’s a reason only a very small percentage of drivers have completely ditched ICE!

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Yes it is liberating to plug in at the house. I plug in when I get home like every 4th day. My round trip is like 60 miles to work. It takes 5 seconds to plug in. It’s ready to go in the morning! I have 0 degradation on my battery at 40K miles. I can almost drive to Atlanta on a full charge so don’t get why people are like oh no I need 500 miles or more of range. Ridiculous. Have you ever heard of one pedal driving and regen? I might need to use my brakes 1 percent of my time on the road. So they will last well over 200,000 miles. If you have to replace your battery at or over 200,000 miles it would be way less money than what you spent on gas during that same time frame. Plus batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper while gas and oil is getting more and more expensive. When I drive in the mountains I can use regen and charge my battery going downhill without ever having to touch my brake pedal! Having an ICE car in the mountains destroys your brakes. But whatever. Be closed minded if you want. I have no hate on ICE, I love my fiesta st with a modded turbocharger putting out over 300HP. But I’m not so closed minded to see that EV is the future and it is an awesome way to drive. Oh and on super long road trips, get an air bnb. Never had an issue with a host not letting me charge my car at the house over night and ready to go the next day.